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Post by niniane on Feb 2, 2009 11:10:21 GMT 1
Znamo na što se naslov odnosi, jelda?... Međutim, mene zanimaju i "međukoraci", tj. kad su prvi put, ehm, napravili više od poljupca, kad su prvi put spavali skupa?... Ja sam si to nekako posložila ovako: Prvo su se poljubili u "Milleniumu", kao, sretna Nova godina i svijet nije propao spika ;D (nakon što je u dosta epki šeste sezone insinuirano da među njima ima nešto više, npr. "Milagro" - "Agent Scully is already in love", "Rain King" - "Not even a kiss?.." i mnoge druge scene, "How the Ghosts stole Christmas" - lovers` pact...) Mislim da su prvi put spavali skupa u "All things", jer je to tamo sasvim lijepo i jasno insinuirano ;D A između... ..."Orison" - čini se da na kraju Scully, jer je njen stan rasturen i crime scene zbog Pfasterovog napada, ide nekamo s Mulderom, most possibly kod njega... ..."Sein und zeit" - nakon smrti Mulderove majke, Scully ostaje kod njega cijelu noć... ..."En Ami" - nevjerojatan Mulderov izraz lica na kraju, kad se sazna da ga je Scully ditchnula i otišla s Kensićem... ..."Chimera" - Ellen Adderly: "Do you have a... a significant other?" Mulder: "Um, not in the widely understood definition of that term." A na kraju epke "Hollywood AD", koja je odmah poslije "All Things", odlaze trošiti pare s kartice FBI-ja - držeći se za ruke...
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Post by gillian on Feb 2, 2009 15:18:06 GMT 1
Vjerojatno u all things,meni se to tak nekak vidi,lijepo si to Gillian izrezirala...
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Post by wapa on Feb 2, 2009 20:31:27 GMT 1
Ja mislim definitivno poslije Milleniuma, a prije Orisona (meni to Mulderovo If you wanna pack some things so we can get out of here uopce ne zvuci kao da ce ju vodit da prespava u hotel). E sad, da li se to desilo prije Rusha i onog njenog igranja sa kravatom ili negdje oko Goldberg variationa, ne znam tocno, ali meni se njihovo ponasanje vec u Rushu i poslije te epizode cini kao da su hm... konzumirali vezu negdje u to vrijeme. Znaci, ja sam za 'prije all thingsa'.
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Post by niniane on Feb 3, 2009 11:39:22 GMT 1
Zgodna teorija, wapa Ali po čemu bi onda, po tvojoj teoriji, bila važnost svega što se dogodi u "All things"? Možda su do tada samo povremeno uskakali jedno drugome u krevet, a nakon "All things" postali malo više... ajmo reći ekskluzivni. Tj. ušli u vezu.
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Post by wapa on Feb 4, 2009 23:39:39 GMT 1
Prvo da se ogradim, moja teorija je jos uvijek u povoju jer jos nisam odgledala All things (disciplinirano gledam po redu). Ali imaju neke fantasticne teoreticarke na xfilesultimate koje smatraju da je William zacet u All things ili nesto poslije, da je prije toga bila in vitro oplodnja, a da su oni i prije IVF-a spavali, sto je iscrpno objasnjeno na tom forumu, ali ja necu sad prepricavati, mogu kopirati to sve ako netko nije procitao.
Trazila sam na yt jedan video gdje Gillian govori o snimanju All thingsa i kako joj je Kim Manners rekao dok je jos pisala scenarij: "Mozda bi bilo vrijeme da sad pokazemo da oni spavaju zajedno", ili tako nesto. E sad, da li je mislio "vrijeme je da spavaju zajedno pa ajde da to bude u ovoj epizodi" ili "oni vec neko vrijeme spavaju, pa hajde da to pokazemo u ovoj epizodi". ALi sad ne mogu naci taj video.
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Post by niniane on Feb 5, 2009 15:06:32 GMT 1
Čula sam taj njen komentar sa snimanja "All things", i također nisam shvatila radi li se o tome da spavaju skupa već neko vrijeme pa je vrijeme da to sad i mi vidimo, ili im je to prvi put... Ah, uvijek mora biti obavijeno velom tajne... Nisam pročitala tu teoriju ekipe s xfilesultimate, kopipejstaj slobodno Što se in vitro oplodnje tiče, to je iz nadasve zbunjujuće epizode "Per Manum" u kojoj je Scullyne flashbackove dosta teško smjestiti u koje se vrijeme događaju... I ekipa s tv.com foruma je naširoko raspravljala o tome, mislim da je netko pitao i Franka Spotnitza, koji je odgovorio ne-sjećam-se-što, a fanovi su pobili njegovo objašnjenje činjenicama iz serije, pa se čovjek na kraju ispričao i rekao, ukratko, da zapravo ni sam nije siguran u kojoj se fazi serije ti flashbackovi događaju
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Post by wapa on Feb 5, 2009 22:27:56 GMT 1
Ma nema Frank pojma ;D
Evo kopipejstam sa xfilesultimate. In our opinion, the first flashback occurred shortly following "Theef." They are certainly sleeping together by that point, and were extraordinarily flirtatious in the beginning of the episode. It would seem by the end, however, that Scully had retreated into her introspective solitude. With themes of extreme parental love pulling at her emotional strings, as well as her own questioning of morality as a physician, Scully figuratively and literally pulls away from Mulder. In the hospital room in the final scene, she is not really speaking to him but rather thinking aloud. She then walks off, without Mulder, leaving him standing alone, looking after her and continuing the eternal male quest of figuring out the innate complexities of the woman he loves.
We surmise that upon returning to DC, Scully continued on this introspective journey and remained somewhat withdrawn from Mulder. She appeared to be this way in that first "Per Manum" flashback, and with the manner in which Mulder attempts to reconnect with her rather firmly, suggests to us that perhaps a week or two had passed after "Theef." He's concerned and becoming rather perturbed at her prolonged withdrawal and the lack of communication between them. Finally, Scully rather begrudgingly opens up to him but remains at a distance ... Mulder sadly stands aside, feeling quite precariously balanced on a very blurred line.
The flashback in Dr. Parenti's office is clearly within days of the first flashback in "Per Manum," with the scene of Mulder's willingness to father her child not long after that. We believe that Scully's urgency to enter into motherhood overrode her anxiety regarding how to ask Mulder, and that she likely thought something out briefly and laid it all on the line that evening. Though Mulder needed time to think it over, he wouldn't have her wait an excessive length of time, placing the third flashback probably the following afternoon.
When a woman is artificially inseminated, it is suggested that she wait two weeks to take a pregnancy test. "En Ami" would, then, logically fall into that window. A great deal of their behaviour could be likely attributed to the agonizing wait -- and the strain put on their relationship/friendship/partnership because of it. Scully sought some level of escapism, something to take her mind off of what may or may not be happening within her body. Though generally not one to allow emotional stress to impair her good judgment, Dana Scully is human and in this particular instance, it seemed to occur. She may have also been acting on an urge to prove to herself that, despite not being able to conceive a child in the natural manner, she is still a woman; still a strong and independent human being. She strives to get away from Mulder -- not only to feel as though she is still her own person, but he was likely being overly attentive. Scully perhaps did not want to focus on the possibility of being pregnant, in case it didn't happen [and also to allay Mulder's vocalized fears that an attempt at conceiving and a failure to do so, or a pregnancy/child would "come between them"] and Mulder's delicate treatment of her interfered with her attempts to do so.
It is during "En Ami" that we believe CSM may have reactivated a hormonal response in her body. A woman is generally born with all of the ova she will ever have -- we do not reproduce ova as men do sperm. As CSM is ever the all-knowing, and seems to understand something about Scully's & Mulder's present status with each other, he is probably aware of the fact that the relationship has long since been consummated. Under this knowledge or justified assumption, he was then operating with an ulterior motive. Following the events in the three-part S7 opener, Mulder had developed an immunity to the impending colonization, his DNA altered. That development along with however Scully's physiology was affected through her abduction may equate, to what is left of The Syndicate, the perfect child. The Answer. It is our belief that CSM used this opportunity to reactivate something within Scully, something to do with the chip in her neck, causing her body to spontaneously regenerate ova. Without knowledge of this, Scully would continue to sleep with Mulder without utilizing birth control, thus leaving her open to conceiving a child as nature intended. [Again, this is all our speculation and not necessarily set in stone, but moreso a possible explanation in our minds.]
Mulder would of course be livid with Scully for jaunting off with CSM under any circumstance, though his response was intensified by what they had just been through -- the possibility that Dana Scully was pregnant, thus not only putting herself in danger but perhaps THEIR unborn child, as well. When she returns safely he is unable to easily forgive her, the gravity of what COULD have happened weighing heavily upon them both.
We feel that the final flashback in "Per Manum" takes place post-"En Ami," yet before "Chimera." Due to the events of "En Ami," Mulder would obviously not leave Scully if they were still waiting to discover if the invitro was successful. Due to character tendencies, it is plausible that Mulder was being over-attentive to Scully following the news. Comfort and understanding had escalated into him driving her absolutely crazy, since Scully is the type of individual who needs some level of solitude to deal with whatever plagues her emotionally. She, like many people, prefers to work through the psychology of a situation in her own mind and on her own time. The previous withdrawal, the stress of the potential pregnancy, the despair over the failure to conceive ... all of these things create strain in any relationship, leaving the people involved vulnerable and all too tempted to build walls and retreat into themselves. Mulder was probably trying to prevent a divide [intent on his fears not being realised], but was unable to balance the unwavering connection and devotion with providing his partner with the space she needed to grieve. A few weeks had likely passed when Skinner called Mulder away in "Chimera," and we figure Scully insisted that he go. Mulder would've been hesitant, not wanting to leave her alone, overcome with the male need to protect, provide, and care for. While strong and singular in many respects, Scully is still a woman and regardless of how many times she told Mulder to do what Skinner said until she forced him out the door, she was still miffed that he agreed. It's that perplexing cycle of "you're driving me crazy, please go ... I can't even believe he left, what an ass" that we women tend to do to the men in our lives. We surmise that two or three weeks had passed since the final "Per Manum" flashback, as it is unlikely Mulder could've been convinced to leave her any sooner. Being apart does seem to help them on the path to returning to "normal," able to be somewhat bitter toward one another over the phone without it carrying extremely serious overtones. The separation and the circumstances at hand -- work, namely -- allowed them to focus on something else and recapture an aspect of the working relationship that is the foundation for everything else they have become.
As we can see in the beginning of "all things," their dynamic is still somewhat compromised. With everything that had transpired within the past month or so, this makes complete sense to us. Scully's spiritual and emotional journey in this episode allowed her to reach a new peace with the failed conception and, it would seem, a new understanding of her relationship with Mulder or what she personally wanted out of it. [Incidentally, "all things" aired eight years ago today -- unfathomable that that much time has passed, and it remains one of the best birthday presents ever. Thanks, Gillian!! ;-)] It would seem that they conceived William either in "all things" or shortly thereafter, as Scully was probably about three or four weeks pregnant by "Requiem." by Cailicat
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Post by wapa on Feb 5, 2009 22:32:34 GMT 1
Isuse, kako je dugacko Ima jos par zanimljivih pasusa (isto od calilicat, cura je genije): Scully tends to go into a clinical mode when she is uncomfortable in a situation, and what is more awkward than asking your lover to father your child through IVF? Scully asks him as a friend, yes, because they were not at a point in their relationship where they were thinking "hey, it's about time we settle down and make babies." They were both under the belief that that scenario was out of reach, and thus that was a discussion neither had ever really planned for. Mulder vocalizes his fears that a child would come between them, most likely because they would be prematurely inserting something very stressful into their undefined romantic and sexual relationship. i jos: I never took from "Per Manum" that we were to gather that they had not been sleeping together. To me it seemed that their concern for their relationship arose from the fact that they were. I think that it was most likely understood between the two of them that Mulder was more than just a sperm donor, as she could have easily just used an anonymous donor as Dr. Parenti had initially suggested. The fear that a child could potentially "come between them" stemmed from the two of them having avoided blending the three distinct aspects of their relationship together: work partners, friends, lovers.
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Post by niniane on Feb 6, 2009 13:37:47 GMT 1
Wow, TO je psihologija! Sad me natjeralo na razmišljanje i ponovnu analizu vlastite teorije, jer ovo zvuči jako logično... Još jednom - wow!
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Post by wapa on Feb 8, 2009 10:37:35 GMT 1
Jos jedno objasnjenje zasto all things vjerovatno nije njihov prvi put: Ona je otisla dok je on spavao a da se nije pozdravila. Bilo bi jako cudno da je prvi put jer bi onda on bio jako zabrinut kad bi se probudio misleci da je ona mozda zazalila zbog sexa. Vjerovatno je ona otisla kuci da se presvuce da ne bi sljedeci dan dosla na posao u istoj odjeci (kad bi dosli zajedno na posao i ona u istoj odjeci, svi bi znali sto se dogadja wink wink ;D). Sigurno se i ranije desavalo da ona ode kuci prije jutra tako da je znala da Mulder nece biti iznenadjen ili zabrinut kad se ujutro probudi sam.
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Post by niniane on Feb 8, 2009 12:21:18 GMT 1
Vidiš, to mi nikad nije palo na pamet... Ali zašto mi onda ona djeluje neuobičajeno... kontemplativno dok se sprema i odlazi?.. Možda se htjela malo snugglati pored njega, a morala se ići doma presvući...
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Post by Starbuck on Feb 8, 2009 17:02:16 GMT 1
Zanimljive teorije.Natjeralo me da malo promisli.Slažem se sa wapom.
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Post by wapa on Feb 9, 2009 20:14:51 GMT 1
Ali zašto mi onda ona djeluje neuobičajeno... kontemplativno dok se sprema i odlazi?.. Možda se htjela malo snugglati pored njega, a morala se ići doma presvući... Zato sto ranije nisu znali na cemu su, a u all things je po prvi put sve jasno pa ga je zato tako kontemplativno posmatrala. A mozda se stvarno htjela snugglat. A ti ne bi? (Nemoj da ti muz vidi ovo ;D)
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Post by Starbuck on Feb 10, 2009 13:32:42 GMT 1
0.o dobro da nisi postavila ljepše pitanje.. Predpostavljam šta bi rekla niniane na to... ;D
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Post by niniane on Feb 11, 2009 11:46:07 GMT 1
Naravno da bih se snuglala... ;D
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